'Nova extends slide with home loss to Irish
posted by Pete @ LetsGoNova.com1/26/2008 04:35:00 PM
Notre Dame 90
Villanova 80
(box score)
(ESPN video highlights)
Notre Dame: 14-4 (4-2 BE)
#18 Villanova: 13-5 (3-4 BE, 3-0 B5)
Next game: at Pittsburgh, 01/30 at the Petersen Events Center.
Villanova was beaten badly by Notre Dame at the Wachovia Center Saturday afternoon.
In a game where the Wildcats had hoped to rebound after a devastating loss to Rutgers, Villanova came out soft and listless, and never really competed with the Irish.
Sure, Villanova unleashed its now-traditional desperate comeback attempt at the end of the game, but it fell far short against the experienced Notre Dame team.
It almost seems like this is becoming Jay Wright's preferred gameday strategy: start out weak, fall behind due to poor defense, trail at the half, fall further behind in the first 10 minutes of the second period, then finally, with the 'Cats down 15 or so, put in Malcolm Grant and mount a furious comeback attempt.
O.K., obviously that is not Wright's ideal script for a basketball game. But it has played out just like this in more than a few Wildcat games this year, and the increasing frequency of the pattern has left many Villanova fans confused.
Why is Malcolm Grant riding the pine? The issue spilled from the halls of Villanova and the tubes of the Internet out into the open of the Wachovia Center on Saturday. Students and alumni alike repeatedly called for Grant in the face of Jay Wright's inexplicable refusal to play him.
Maybe I am forgetting past incidents, but in seven years of watching Jay Wright's Wildcats, I have never heard the student section so explicitly question Wright's substitution patterns with chants and screams during the game -- aside from calling for walk-on players to be inserted into the last minute of blow-out victories.
After serenading the team and Wright with actual booing in the second half, the fans and student section erupted with a chant of "we want Malcolm" until Wright finally called Grant's number in the middle of the second period. The Wildcats, of course, were down 16.
Grant, who scored 17 points in two minutes at the end of the Rutgers game, did not even see the Wachovia Center floor until the 5:44 mark of the first half. Wright yanked Grant from the game just two and a half minutes later, and he did not see the court again until 12:29 in the second half.
Grant also inexplicably lost his spot in the starting lineup Saturday afternoon, which was a real slap in the face to several 'Nova fans who blamed the Rutgers loss on Grant's absence from the court. Meanwhile, Shane Clark continues to start, though Wright did sub him out after three and a half minutes after Clark gave up two easy baskets with almost no defensive effort.
There are lots of theories floating around regarding Grant's lack of playing time, ranging from an emphasis on height or defense to an unknown team discipline issue.
To me, the height and defense arguments make little sense: what good is height when the team is trailing and can't score? It's also not as if the Wildcats' defense has been solid without Grant; in the past two games with Grant on the bench, Villanova's defense has been atrocious. Grant even looks to be the best defender of the three scoring point guards on the team, superior to Scottie Reynolds and Corey Fisher.
As for other reasons Grant might not be seeing the floor, this site does not deal in speculation. We do not have access to the inside of the huddle, so who knows why Jay Wright has decided to sit Malcolm until the team falls irrecoverably behind.
It's almost as if Let's Go Nova has become Let's Go Malcolm, with the amount of time and text we spend on the subject. But the issue is valid. It is a mistake for Grant to be sitting during these crucial stretches, and it appears that Wright hardly realizes it.
With the loss to Notre Dame, Villanova drops to 3-4 in the Big East and is squarely on the bubble for the NCAA Tournament.
Officially, (and now, humorously) the Wildcats are still ranked #18 until Monday afternoon when both polls come out.
Not only will Villanova plummet into the unranked abyss on Monday; if the Wildcats receive even a single vote for the top 25 this week, it will be because the voter hasn't been paying attention to the past week of basketball.
Congratulations to reader Jameson for most closely predicting the game's final score.
Next up for Villanova is a trip to Pittsburgh on Wednesday for a rematch with the Panthers as the 'Cats attempt to stave off a three-game losing streak.
The last time Villanova lost three games in a row was nearly four years ago, on Feb. 28, 2004, when the 'Cats dropped a heartbreaker by one point in overtime to UConn. The 2003-2004 Villanova team did not make the NCAA tournament and was beaten in the NIT by -- you guessed it -- Rutgers.
The Panthers are fresh off an upset loss themselves at home against Rutgers. The Panthers' loss was detrimental for Villanova; the Wildcats' (2008) loss to Rutgers now looks slightly more palatable, but the Jan. 6 win over Pittsburgh becomes much less impressive.
Comcast customers should stake out a chair at a sports bar, because the game is once again airing on that channel no one actually gets, ESPNU.
Let's move on to the player grades. "READ MORE" below for player performance grades and analysis.
- Corey Fisher (S, 33 min)
Fisher did not shoot the ball very well, but did score 13 points on 5-15 shooting. He was good from the three, going 2-3. The rest of Fisher's line in the box score was solid. He grabbed 4 rebounds, dished out 3 assists, and had 3 steals. He committed just 2 turnovers in 33 minutes, and generally handled the ball well. This was a huge bump in playing time for Fisher, who saw just 15 minutes in the loss for Rutgers. Fisher is one of the Wildcats' best players and should be seeing 25-30 minutes per game.
Grade: B- - Scottie Reynolds (S, 32 min)
Reynolds played very well inside the three-point line, shooting 5-8 on 2-point field goals, and going 3-4 from the foul line. Unfortunately, Reynolds was 0-5 from beyond the three-point arc. He finished with 13 points on a reasonable 5-13 from the field. He had 2 assists, 2 rebounds, and 1 steal, and committed only 1 turnover. This was definitely an off-game for Reynolds from outside, as he just couldn't find twine from long-range. Obviously, Reynolds will not shoot 0-5 from the three in every game, so I don't think any adjustment is needed on the offensive end.
Grade: B- - Dante Cunningham (S, 29 min)
Cunningham played a below-average game, by his standards. He shot 3-8 to score 7 points, and he grabbed just 5 rebounds. He rounded out his line with 3 assists, 3 turnovers, 1 block, and 1 steal. Look for Dante to reassert himself in the paint if the 'Cats are to break out of this losing streak.
Grade: C- - Antonio Pena (S, 26 min)
If there was one unqualified positive aspect of Saturday's debacle, it was Antonio Pena. Pena put forth a dominating inside performance, scoring a team-high 17 points on ultra-efficient 8-9 shooting. He just missed his double-double, collecting 9 rebounds, again tops on the team. He passed for 3 assists, committed 3 turnovers, and notched 1 block and 1 steal. If Pena can sustain this level of play while Cunningham and the guards find their marks, Villanova is going to be a dangerous team to defend.
Grade: A- - Reggie Redding (25 min)
Redding got huge chunks of playing time after a less-than-stellar performance at the RAC. He did better against the Irish on Saturday, but I am not sure if he deserved 250 percent of Malcolm Grant's minutes. Redding shot 3-6 from the field to score 7 points. Redding grabbed 6 rebounds, had 3 assists, and picked up 2 steals. He committed only 1 turnover. His defense was what ostensibly earned him his playing time, and I have no complaints on that end, as his minutes presumably came at the expense of Shane Clark, whose defense was much worse. But the problem is that Redding is not much of a threat on the offensive side. Redding is a decent defender and a good "glue" guy, grabbing loose balls and not committing many turnovers. On the offensive end of the court, however, Redding does not have to be guarded all that closely, and teams are free to roam away and harass Villanova's scoring threats, mainly Scottie Reynolds. I know Redding works diligently on his jump shot, and if that shot can ever go in reliably, there will be much less of an offense-defense trade-off with Redding.
Grade: C+ - Corey Stokes (22 min)
Wright continues to stick with Stokes as he has all season, and it appears to be paying a few dividends now. Stokes played another decent -- albeit imperfect -- game. He scored 11 points on 4-8 shooting, and he finally may have found his stroke from the three, where he went 3-6. He grabbed 4 rebounds and had 2 assists. He did struggle, however, with handling the ball, committing 2 turnovers and several "near misses." His defense was what I would classify as below average, which could be due to his ongoing learning of the system. Stokes also seems to lack a "clutch factor": he had a wide-open look at a three with 1:00 to go that would have put the surging 'Cats within 5, and I don't think I was the only one in the building who just "knew" it wasn't going to find the bottom of the rim. That said, Stokes is clearly improving, and I think he is now at the point to justify 20-plus minutes per game. Stokes's offense, when everything starts clicking, could be the missing piece the 'Cats needs to take some burden off the three scoring point-guard, especially when opponents key their defense against them.
Grade: C+ - Shane Clark (S, 14 min)
It's quite painful to chronicle Clark's descent into mediocrity, especially as a huge fan of Clark's athletic ability. Clark is, nonetheless, mired in a funk, and nothing changed Saturday. Clark was flat-out bad against the Irish, especially in the first half. Clark's first-period box score was as follows: 0-2 shooting, 0-1 from the three, 2 rebounds, and 2 turnovers. That doesn't even tell the story of his porous defense, either. Clark allowed the first two Irish baskets on plays where he was exceedingly slow on getting to his man. Clark did not do much better in the second half, either. He finished with 2 points on 1-4 shooting. He did have 5 rebounds, which was something of a plus, but it does not make up for his total breakdown on the defensive end and his complete ineffectiveness on offense. Playing just 14 minutes is a vast reduction in time for the starter Clark, but his minutes should probably be reduced even further, at least until he emerges from his shooting cold streak and repairs his frequent defensive lapses.
Grade: F - Malcolm Grant (10 min)
Most of what I have to say about Grant has been said above and in previous posts. In my opinion, Grant is one of 'Nova's two best players, and playing him for just 10 minutes against the Irish is complete and utter folly. Grant managed to score 8 points on 2-7 shooting, despite playing only 10 minutes and despite being unceremoniously yanked from the game after playing just 2 minutes in the first half. Grant did not exactly replicate his usual heroics, scoring "only" 0.8 of a point per minute of playing time on Saturday, compared to 1.28 PPM against Rutgers and 1.13 vs. LSU. What do these numbers mean? I'll leave that up to the reader, but allow me to make a relevant connection with the ever-popular world of poker. As the "mad genius" Mike Caro says, if you're averaging a huge profit every time you call, you're not calling enough. Absurd point-per-minute totals like Grant has been putting up lately would not translate if he were given increased minutes, but that is exactly the idea. When you have a weapon like Grant, let him play in the minutes that matter, instead of just relying on him to overcome a hopeless situation at the end of the game. Again, I am not privy to any "inside knowledge" that might explain Wright's baffling benching of Grant, so to me it just appears to be an out-and-out coaching error.
Grade: B - Dwayne Anderson (9 min)
Anderson played 9 minutes? I guess that I didn't notice at least means he wasn't burned on defense too many times. On the offensive end, Anderson was quiet. He shot 1-2 from the field to score 2 points. He had 3 rebounds, and no other impact on the box score. I am a fan of Anderson and believe he should be getting 5-10 minutes per game, but against Notre Dame he didn't do much of anything.
Grade: D+ - Incomplete grades: None.
- Did not play: Casiem Drummond (ankle), Frank Tchuisi (CD), Jason Colenda (CD).
Labels: 2007-2008, Big East, grades, Grant, Jay Wright, Notre Dame
37 Comments:
Disappointing game. Seemed like the crowd never really got into it, because once again we had the game taken to us from the start. Aside from the very beginning of the game, we never led. Notre Dame had its way with us the rest of the game. Pena and Stokes were bright spots, Scottie forced too much again and went 0-5 from 3 (at least 4 of the looks were wide open). Fisher played relatively well, a couple unlucky rolls on some of his shots though. Clark was nowhere to be found yet again...we really need Cas.
Speaking of Cas, I know I have said this before, but when will he be back? He would have neutralized the pig face
The bottom line is that the team is young and not that good.
They will get better. Foye, Sumpter and the gang got beat up a little when they were freshmen and then had solid careers.
People just have to properly adjust their expectations. They are not a top 25 team. Probably never should have been ranked.
They should focus on getting better each game. They are likely NIT bound this year. If they improve each game and learn to play defense, they could be very good next year.
With all of that said, I am a little worried about Jay's coaching this year. Maybe he is just not sure what he has with this team yet.
I realized we were overrated after Depaul beat us and the crowd started chanting "overrated." I didn't want to admit it at first, but I realized, we really are overrated. A lot of weight was put on Shane and in the last 3 games I've only seen him get progressively worse. He's actually quite awful. I still don't understand the Malcolm situation either, really ridiculous. There's so much more to say, but why say it, the team is not as good as we all had hoped.
On the post game show, Whitey Rigsby said that Drummond's fate will be decided on Monday. If they get a bad report regarding his stress fracture, Jay is planning on Red-Shirting Cas for the rest of the season.
In related news, Andrew Ott is transferring as well.
We will be lucky to be 9-9 in Big East play this year.
Cas being red-shirted could actually work out very well for us! I think its time we admit that this season is down the toilet, and i think most would agree that cas will be staying with us until hes a senior. Therefore, we'd get three more years of playing with him after this year, and we're really going to need him. he's already missed so much of this season too, it's really a shame. I'm a huge cas fan!
Cas is going to wind up a cripple under Jay Wright just like Jason Frasier did.
Is he allowed to redshirt after playing so many games?
With the NCAA's rules as they are, Cas will be allowed to Redshirt because he hasn't played in the NCAA minimum amount of games to count against this season.
By the way, I agree with matadorm, I have a bad feeling that Cas might end up like Jason Fraser.
Cas is not as fragile and as uncomfortable as Fraser was. He will be fine, and will continue to improve.
I think we desperately need a floor leader.
Scotty is a great athlete and from all reports a fine young man, but so far this year he has not provided the floor cohesion of a Foye, or Nardi, or Sumpter... when they were upperclassmen. Why is that surprising, HE IS A SOPHMORE? I think Dante Cunningham has been filling that role better than anyone.
This year is NOT a disaster, as some have said, but is sure is a rebuilding year. The season is not over yet, I have confidence the best is yet to come....
Bill
now I know how uconn fans felt last year
I'm still puzzled by the whole Malcolm Grant scenario. He must be in Jay's doghouse for some off the court behavior. Otherwise there's just no explanation: he scores, makes good decisions with the basketball, knows when to shoot and when to pass, and I think defensively he's at least equal to reynolds and fisher.
Georgetown will be at the top of the Big East this year. Nova will probably be around 12.
Jay knows what he's doing...
The other day with ND in town, 20,000 people watched practice. Jay wright is not stupid, he has eyes, he sees what we all see; and that is that Malcolm Grant is the best player on this team and drills 3's at will and controls the game when he's in. He runs the show and the opposing team is terrified of him.
Boy, you guys are so smart for figuring out what EVERYONE, especially our coach knows. Its not Lappas any more people, Jay knows best and sees the big picture, and unfortunately, he will treat this season as every game so far and that is...
trying his hardest to get reynolds, fisher, and cunningham going because he knows that malcolm is so awesome that he can be inserted into any team and know how to play with all his teamates, he's a baller, he can play with anyone. jay wright is trying to practice different set plays that theres no need for grant to even be a part of cause he's above that.
hopefully, by the end of the season he'll realize the guard lineup, which he has not used:
grant, fisher, reynolds, stokes and pena. substitute cunningham and redding in for stokes and do it 40 minutes like that. I'v taken the hint that cassiem drummund will not play again this year so he can redshirt; ideally, he would be our bigman with pena as a 4.
clark, anderson, and cunngiham: get lost, jay wrights giving you guys all the practice you can muster and still you guys stink, follow otts lead to a better villanova.
Final comment: alright jay, get the three fab guards workin the perimeter for the whole game getting open looks for 3's, cassiems out, the dream of a big-mans game is dead. and also, when we get that guard lineup going, lets get active on the boards like foye and lowry, everyone get involved on the boards. we'll be nice, but seems like this years gunna be spent practicing plays and teamates getting accomadated with one another.
FEAR NOT: big east tourney, grant and pena will play the whole game and we could easily run the table; no bigman is really starting to be a problem.
Cman, I considered your argument, but come on. Villanova is now losing in Big East play. In order to unleash Grant as a secret weapon onto a better-meshed core of teammates when it matters, the team needs to get to games that matters. If the 'Cats dont make the NCAAs this year, that "strategy" will have backfired.
I dont think anyone thinks you should sacrifice an entire SEASON for the next year, if that's what you mean. In college basketball, only a few teams get at-large bids -- the regular season matters.
Cman, surely you must have made a typo to suggest that Dante Cunningham transfer. That is crazy; Cunningham is one of the team's best 5 players.
Cman, have you been watching the same team I have been watching. We're damn lucky to have Dante Cunningham. Perish the thought he could even think of transferring.
About the only thing I can agree with you on is a lack of understanding why Malcolm isn't getting more minutes.
I sure hope you are right about Jay Wright....
My feat for Cas' health has nothing to do with him being "fragile". Jason Frasier wasn't "fragile", he was a McDonald's All-American for crying out loud. What happened is that because he was the ONLY big option Villanova had, Wright overplayed him, and he became injury prone due to fatigue.
Cas is now the ONLY big option on this team. Why should I think his fate is going to be any different than Frasiers?
Wright is a GOOD X's and O's coach: His ability to garner a 1-Seed when haveing to reorganize the entire game plan because of Sumpter's injury is proof of that. But he has TWO HUGE faults:
1) He never properly motivates his team to play a full 40 minutes of HARD Basketball
2) He never recruits big men.
These two faults will be his (And Cas') downfall.
Cman said...
"Boy, you guys are so smart for figuring out what EVERYONE, especially our coach knows. Its not Lappas any more people, Jay knows best and sees the big picture, and unfortunately, he will treat this season as every game so far and that is..."
I Say...
On the Contrary - IT IS LAPPAS AGAIN. The Beginning of the end of Lappas was when he shunned his entire team, including upper-classman, and decided to put his faith in Tim Thomas. Now Wright is doing the exact same thing with Scottie Reynolds.
is everyone on this site suddenly a talent scout and/or college basketball coach? because i think jay wright knows what he is doing and knows his personnell better than any of you. get off of jay's back and support our team. and PLEASE stop with the malcolm is god stuff. he has yet to prove he can defend well or run an offense. i like him a lot off the bench but he is not a starting big east guard deserving of 30 minutes a game. you have all taken his end game heroics and blown them completely out of proportion. if he was a better overall player than scottie or fisher he would be playing more than them, it's as simple as that.
Todd,
Your attitude of blindly supporting a coach because I am not a talent scout is not only ridiculous, but it is detrimental to my Alma-Mater. I will not accept poor management for this Basketball team. I don't need to be a talent scout to know that a 3-4 record in the conference is unacceptable. I don't need to be a talent scout to know that riding Scottie Reynolds on a game in game out basis simply will not win basketball games. Wright needs to change things and change them fast.
This team went from a top 25 team to nothing in two games, and you are saying that supporters have no right to be upset?
I agree with Todd. Of course fans can be upset with the players or coach, but to say that Wright isn't good with X's and O's requires a superior understanding of coaching. Which is more likely, that the student section knows more about the game than the coach, or that there's some reason behind the game plan that just isn't obvious to the outside observers?
As far as "riding Scottie" goes, I don't see that going on. In fact, you could argue that there was more riding going on last year if you look at playing times. If I'm not mistaken, he had 40 (!) minutes at Notre Dame last year. Saturday, he had 32, which was 1 less than Fisher. And in fact, when Scottie's shot was off against Pitt, Wright drew up the final play for Grant. So there's no question that Wright recognizes Malcolm's ability, and there's no evidence of a plan to simply "ride Scottie."
Speaking of Pitt, the rematch is next up on the schedule. Hopefully Scottie's 3s will be falling. Can you imagine a game when any three of Stokes, Fisher, Grant, and Reynolds were hot? It's bound to happen, and it will be fun to watch!
I never questioned Wright's ability as an X's and O's coach. I do question his ability to motivate his team to play 40 Minutes of basketball every game
Calm down guys....
There are lots of judgments being made, most of which we don't have the facts to nor probably the expertise to make.
The chief exception being criticism of the lack of playing time for Malcolm.
----- Malcom needs more minutes----
matadorm,
you clearly don't understand basketball if you really think we were a top 25 team early in the season. we were never even close, and i think a lot of people are beginning to realize that now. our incosistency is due to the fact that we have 0 seniors on the roster and only 1 junior who produces consistently (dante), not because jay fails to motivate the team. not much should be expected of a team leaning so heavily on freshmen and sophomores, in addition to their starting center being hurt.
this is a very talented team, but not a consistently good team yet. be patient and the wins will come with time.
i am not blindly supporting jay, i do agree he might ride scottie too much at times. but scottie is the only proven scorer on this young team, so he is forced to do it more than i'm sure he would like. the bottom line is, jay knows his team better than any of us and all of this bashing of him and screaming for malcolm grant to play 30 minutes per game needs to stop. it is simply absurd.
Todd,
If I don't understand Basketball, then you must not be watching the games. Did you see the Rutgers games? Villanova committed NINETEEN turnovers, and went SCORELESS for TEN MINUTES of the second half. Does that show effort? Does that show any hustle to you? That was the most disgraceful, gutless effort I have ever seen.
You don't have to be a Senior to play with guts. Kyle Lowery may not have been the best player as a Freshman, but he played with heart every minute he was on the floor. That team flat out QUIT on the floor against Rutgers, and I hold Wright directly responsible for allowing that kind of "effort" to continue. Have the guts to bench the starters and put guys on the court that want to play.
I think it is possible to voice your opinion that Grant should be playing more without "bashing" Jay.
Let's remember, college basketball is just a game. It is ok to voice your opinion on a game without making things personal.
In my opinion, Grant should be playing well over 25 minutes per game, for reasons I have documented all over this site.
cman - cunningham should transfer? thats insane...do you actually watch the games?
My disdain for Jay Wright has nothing to do with Grant. Grant seems like he is a fine player, but I don't see anything at this time that makes me think he is a savior
matadorm, you dont see anything that makes you think he's a savior? How about the two times when he single-handedly brought the team from WAY behind to win the game? And how about the time when he scored 17 points in TWO minutes, when he could've won it if he'd been put in a little earlier? I don't think its right that everyone puts so much faith in him to win the game, but if everyone else is sucking, someone's got to do something and its usually grant.
i also think that whole dante should transfer thing is ludicrous. He's one of the best players on our team and we'd undoubtedly be lost without his leadership.
As far as the bashing of jay wright goes, everyone's entitled to opinions, and this is the perfect place to share them. I think, however, that as a true nova fan you should have some respect for your coach.
Who knows the Big East is so overrated this year that Nova could actually get in the tournament. I was expecting alot out of the Big East this year. Nothing too special about it.
I prefer to call myself a Villanova hater, although I do like this site despite the fact that's all things Wildcats.
"Grant seems like he is a fine player, but I don't see anything at this time that makes me think he is a savior"
Matadorn- at least we agree on something.
to a certain extent, i agree with your point about the rutgers game as well. when the team plays with that little energy it only seems logical to bench the starters. however, there aren't many other alternatives. the whole team needs to show more heart to do anything this year.
Matadorm-
How would you know anything about the game, you weren't even there! I bet fantastic day at Bed, Bath, and Beyond, though!
The big problem was Wright's decision to limit Grant to 8 mins in the ND game. Also, our three point defense again showed it's holes as we continue to back down into the lane rather than protecting the three point arc.
Wow this team sucks. I'm almost embarrassed to be a fan of them right now.
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