IMPLOSION Wheels come off as Wildcats suffer 5th straight blow-out
posted by Pete @ LetsGoNova.com2/04/2008 10:28:00 PM
Villanova 55
(box score)
St. Joseph's: 15-5 (6-1 A10, 3-0 B5)
Villanova: 13-8 (3-6 BE, 3-1 B5)
Next game: vs. Seton Hall, 02/09 at the Pavilion.
Something is rotten in the 'Nova Nation.
St. Joseph's handed Villanova its fifth consecutive loss tonight in a 22-point rout that was not even that close. The St. Joseph lead was actually a whopping 31 before coach Phil Martelli called off the dogs late in the second period.
Tonight's performance, however, was worse than just a blow-out loss. It was a signal that something is horribly amiss in the world of Villanova basketball, and most fans are at a loss themselves to figure out what it could be.
Villanova played laughable defense, allowing the Hawks to score 45 points in the first half. The Wildcat offense was tremendously bad, shooting just 21-51 -- and several of those field goals were meaningless garbage-time paddings.
Perhaps most troubling of all, however, were Jay Wright's baffling lineup and substitution decisions:
- Only 1 minute for Malcolm Grant in a game where the 'Cats were held to 26 and 29 points in the first and second halves, respectively?
- 24 minutes for Shane Clark, who has been and remains thoroughly ineffective on both ends of the court?
- 31 minutes for Reggie Redding, who scored tonight at the blistering pace of 1 point per 11 minutes of playing time? Is Redding's presence as a "defensive stopper" warranted when St. Joe's lit up the 'Cats from the field at a 55 percent clip in the first half?
Jay Wright's personnel decisions have been a major reason, in my opinion, that this team is playing well below its talent level.
What is going on with Malcolm Grant? Why has Wright not addressed this issue? Many fans are wondering, and many fans are angry. Why is he not seeing the floor?
There were rumors circulating online since Saturday of a locker-room altercation between two Villanova players. Since the rumors have not been confirmed by the team, I won't mention which players were supposedly involved -- but Grant was not listed as one of them. Why, then, does Grant seemed glued to the bench?
Villanova is losing to an Atlantic-10 team by 31 points and it's still not time to give Grant a try? One has to wonder whether this perceived injustice doesn't have the talented Grant weighing his options for the rest of his college career.
Jay Wright's offensive schemes -- or, shall I say, the lack thereof -- do not lend themselves to helping out a team that is struggling to score. Instead of creating the occasional easy bucket, Wright's "take-'em" philosophy worsens bad streaks. The take-'em offense certainly doesn't work as well without two starting-caliber NBA guards, either.
I don't even want to talk about the defensive woes. Wright played Shane Clark for 24 minutes in a man-to-man scheme in which Hawks ran over, under, around, and through him to the basket.
If "defense" is the reason keeping Grant on the bench -- hey, it's not working. The Wildcats are getting torched on defense; why not put another scorer out there? Besides, there is very little evidence, in my opinion, that Grant is any worse a defender than the other two point guards.
Perhaps the strongest criticism I have of Jay Wright's lineup calls is the large amount of time that only one of Grant, Fisher, and Reynolds is on the court. There should always be at least two of those three players out there at all times. Villanova has three good guards, so why would you ever want a situation where only one of them were on the court?
In my opinion, this is what the rotation should look like:
- At least 2, and sometimes 3 of Pena, Drummond, and Cunningham simultaneously.
- At least 2, and sometimes 3 of Grant, Reynolds, and Fisher simultaneously.
- Sometimes 1, sometimes none, but never more than 1 of Redding, Stokes, Clark, and Anderson simultaneously.
- Once a player starts or subs in, no taking him out in under five minutes unless there are extenuating circumstances (injuries, fouls, gross insubordination, the Rapture, etc.).
This mix would allow the Wildcats to always have quality shooters, scorers, ball handlers, defenders, and rebounders on the floor at once. It would also allow rhythm players like Fisher and Grant to get into a groove without being yanked out at Wright's inexplicable whim.
I think the core six players could handle the increased minutes in the above scenario. Note how any of the four swingmen could be substituted at will for any tired guard of forward for any length of time, if needed.
Follow that lineup mix, and I guarantee the team wouldn't get blown out by the likes of Rutgers and St. Joe's.
A little over a week ago, this team was ranked #18 in the nation. Obviously that ranking was artificially high, but the fact remains that the Wildcats are underachieving for their talent level.
Congratulations to reader Jameson for most closely predicting the game's final score.
Next up for Villanova are the visiting Seton Hall Pirates at the Pavilion on Saturday.
A lot of fans are wondering, hyperbolically, if the Wildcats will even win another game this year. I think they will. The roster is just too talented to sustain this poor play.
Villanova is still capable of knocking off pretty much anyone left on the schedule... O.K., maybe not Georgetown at the MCI Center.
In any event, the season is truly on the brink of destruction. Villanova must fight its way into the Big East Tournament and will likely have to claw into the NIT, as well.
On to the player grades. "READ MORE" below for player performance grades and analysis.
- Scottie Reynolds (S, 33 min)
With Grant on the bench and Fisher playing less than half the game, Reynolds was tasked with most of the scoring burden for the Villanova backcourt. He gave it an admirable shot, but came up short tonight. He scored 12 points on 3-12 shooting. His only field goals came from behind the three-point arc, where he shot 3-7. He was also 3-4 from the foul line. He handled the ball poorly, passing for no assists and committing 3 turnovers. Reynolds did manage to lead the team in steals, with 2. Scottie is a good player and has not regressed all that much as many fans are suggesting, but he can't handle 200 minutes' worth of scoring burden by himself every night.
Grade: C-
Syracuse grade:B- - Reggie Redding (S, 31 min)
Redding is a great "glue" guy who does a little bit of everything, but come on, 31 minutes? His defense wasn't that good, and he was not a factor on the offense. Redding shot 1-4 to score 3 points and missed 2 of his 3 foul shots. He grabbed 4 boards. He handled the ball well, turning the ball over just once and passing for 4 assists, four times more than anyone else on the team. His defense was nothing to write home about. I think Redding should be a major part of the rotation, but 31 minutes is a bit much for someone whose offense is not a threat.
Grade: C+
Syracuse grade: B - Dante Cunningham (S, 26 min)
Cunningham scored 12 points tonight, tied for Reynolds for most on the team. He shot well from the field, 6-8, and pulled in 6 rebounds. He had 2 turnovers, no assists, no steals, and no blocks.
Grade: C+
Syracuse grade: C- - Dwayne Anderson (25 min)
Anderson played fairly well in the Wildcats' worst game of the year. He shot 4-5 to score 8 points. He grabbed 4 rebounds and had 2 turnovers. He lead the team in blocks, with 2, and notched 1 steal. He also seemed to hustle on the court, especially on a play where he futilely dived for a loose ball. Anderson is another great glue and energy player, but his offensive game is limited. Redding and Anderson should split time with Stokes at the swingman, in my opinion. In that scenario, Stokes, Redding, and Anderson each play about 12 minutes per game, but never alongside one another.
Grade: C+
Syracuse grade: D+ - Shane Clark (24 min)
After not playing at all against 'Cuse, Clark was given 24 minutes tonight. He did not do all that much with them, in my opinion. Clark shot 2-5 from the field to score 8 points, which was the highlight of his performance, as his defense was very poor, in my opinion.
Grade: D
Syracuse grade: DNP - Casiem Drummond (S, 20 min)
Drummond returned to the starting lineup and logged some major minutes tonight, playing half the game. He shot 2-5 from the field and grabbed 4 boards in a less-than-dominating performance. He was also 2-4 from the line. He looked significantly better against Syracuse, but Drummond continues to improve after his serious ankle injury.
Grade: D+
Syracuse grade: B- - Corey Fisher (S, 19 min)
Fisher played fast and loose with the ball tonight, putting up some unlikely shots and committing a ridiculous 5 turnovers in just 19 minutes. Fisher shot 2-7 from the field, including 0-3 from the three-point line, to score just 4 points. He had 1 assist and 1 steal in perhaps his worst game so far this year. Fisher is a tremendous talent and should be allowed to play through poor stretches like this. You saw what he did against Syracuse.
Grade: D
Syracuse grade: A- - Antonio Pena (13 min)
Pena has seen his minutes plummet as of late, and despite a decline in production, I don't think Pena should be riding the bench as much as he is. Against St. Joe's, Pena shot 1-3, scoring 2, and did not grab any rebounds. He had 1 assist and 2 turnovers. Sure, it was a terrible game, but Pena is still emerging. I am not faulting Wright for not playing Pena during a bad performance, but hopefully Antonio sees a return to major minutes and major production soon.
Grade: D-
Syracuse grade: C - Corey Stokes (8 min)
Sometimes I have to remind myself that I have seen Corey Stokes hit 8 straight three pointers in warmups with my own eyes. In actual games, Stokes can't seem to hit a wide-open three at all. He was 0-2 from the field tonight, 2 missed open threes. Stokes grabbed 1 rebound and had 1 turnover. Where is the sharpshooter we heard so much about in high school?
Grade: D-
Syracuse grade: D - Malcolm Grant (1 min)
Jay Wright saw fit to play without Malcolm Grant for 39 minutes tonight, even as the Wildcats were getting blown away. I have no idea why.
Grade: Incomplete
Syracuse grade: C+ - Did not play: Frank Tchuisi (CD), Jason Colenda (CD).
Labels: 2007-2008, Big 5, Big Five, grades, Grant, Jay Wright, St. Joseph's
41 Comments:
I've seen this offense before. It's called - shove it down their throught offense - and if that doesn't work spread the floor and then go one and one (coming soon.
I like Coach, but he needs to find an offensive system - he's never had one.
I can't believe what I'm seeing. We are playing absolutely horrendous basketball. Are we really this bad. I honestly don't think so. Run the ball EVERY PLAY. Don't get tired. Play perimeter defense. Scratch that, PLAY DEFENSE. Play Malcolm Grant. Less fouls. What is with our awful, awful halfcourt offense? There are a lot of things Jay needs to fix. St. Joes is NOT 22 points better than our team.
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Wish I knew what was wrong... It's been a while since we've looked near this shaky.
The St Joe's kids rocked the Palestra. Anyone who's seen at game there (or at Pitt's old Fitzgerald Fieldhouse or even at Duke's Cameron Indoor) understands why I've ralled aginst 'Nova continuing to schedule big games at Wachovia (vice the Pavilion). The home advantage is just not the same going to the big arena in downtown Philly. (NOTE - 'Cats are under .500 lifetime at Wachovia as hosts. You think we'ed get the hint.)
Finally! Someone on this site with a legit criticism of Jay Wright! WOW! Thank you siballs!
He does make pretty good adjustments for the offense though, especially seen in the 1st game vs Syracuse in the 2nd half.
What is truly amazing is that no one on this team has improved over last year. In fact you can make the argument that both Clark and Reynolds have actually regressed. Reynolds had an awful summer, and it's continued into this season with just terribly inconsistent play and inability to drive to the hoop and create his own offense, or distribute to open men.
Apologies to Drummond who improved leaps and bounds though...
We didn't realize what we had 'til it was gone. I miss the heart, determination, and fearlessness of Sumpter, Nardi, and Sheridan. Maybe not as highly touted as the current crop we have, but they played passionate basketball every time out and never hung their head. This team needs leadership. On and off the court.
Regardless... thanks to Pete and anyone else involved with Let's Go Nova.
Other Villanova blogs have just slowed down or stopped recently... shameful really. It's nice to have an area to "air it out" with other Nova fans, or have something insightful to read from a TRUE fan.
Let's Go Nova hasn't skipped a beat, and it's refreshing to see that. Wish the other blogs would keep doing what they set out to do... cover Villanova hoops.
I blame the class of 2011 for being ugly and making us a bad basketball team
Thanks, IMKL,
It's hard work keeping this site up to date, especially when the team is on such a losing streak. Hopefully, those other blogs will update soon, too.
I think jays constant subbing is hurting too. he moves guys in and out so quick that no one can get in a rythem and feel comfortable cause after a minute they're gonna get pulled.
sitting at the palestra watching that game was brutal cause st joes, a much less talented group of individuals, smoked us cause they can play as a team and we cant
Does anyone know of any St Joes sports blogs? I'm curious to what they're saying cause this is absolutely ridiculous.
Also... Has anyone noticed how screwed up the Big East is this year or is it just me?
This team is an embarassment to: the school, the students, the alumni and former players.
They do not deserve to wear a jersey that says "Villanova" on it.
Is Jay Wright kidding me with this quote below?
This team sucks. They do not play defense (which is mostly teamwork and hard work). They do not play as a team. I guess Jay has his alligator skin shoes laced to tight when he made this comment. He is the worst coach in the Big East right now... by far. This team will be "fine", when they start getting coached.
"We'll be all right," Wright said. "Right now, when you lose a game like that, everybody's hurting. But a little bit of humility is not bad for anybody, me included. We have a lot of work to do, but we'll be fine."
bwhaha..Nova is a joke.
WOW. I have never seen a team quit like that before. This one stings. Clearly those boys are frustrated and Jay is sugar coating their deficiencies. He needs to quit blaming youth as the reason for the demise. Take some responsibility, coach. And enough if this "I'm trying to find the right line-up" baloney. Get it done, Jay, or you'll be gone.
Find the right lineup?????
You should have found it by now Jay!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pick your best 6-7 ALL-AROUND players and play them the majority of the game. You know who they are Jay.
If it were me, they would be:
Cunningham, Drummond, Scottie, Fisher, Redding, Pena, Grant.
Enough of the 20 substitutions each half!!!! This strategy, if that's what you want to call it, is not the only factor losing them games, but it is certainly contributing to them have no rhythem offensively or defensively.
Wow. We won't even make the NIT.
Offer a blank check to Bobby Knight! NOW!
I've been saying it for a while. Fire Jay Wright Hire Bob Knight.
Florida is just as young as the 'Cats. Every situation is somewhat different, but what is Billy Donovan doing that Jay Wright is not (Besides recruiting / retaining players over 6-8.)?
At this point, even the upbeat Coach Wright has to admit that something is wrong.
- A cupcake (Syracuse like) pre-Big east schedule.
- Double digit losses to the Big East bottom feeders.
- 2 transfers (Benn and Ott) within 9 months.
- No potential recruits through 2010 over 6-8.
- Horrible offense to defense numbers.
This team is imploding. Call me nuts, but I'm still a Jay Wright fan - although he's got to right this ship fast. The "we're young" thing doesn't work very long when most everyone else in college hoops is dealing with the same thing.
Sorry to take up three posts with this. My point is that there appears to be more wrong here than an ongoing losing streak and odd player substitutions (both remaining significant issues).
I keep winning the prediction score by just picking against 'Nova.
Did you guys see the fact that two St. Joe's girls dressed as wildcat fans and then displayed a banner that read the hawk will never die in the nova nation student section?
Gotta give it to those girls, that was clever.
I know a lot of people are making comparisons to this year's team and the 2002-03 team (Curt, Foye, Ray, and Fraser's Frosh Year). That team lost 16 games, with an average margin of defeat of 16.5 points. Thier biggest loss was to Va. Tech by 25 points. 6 of the 16 losses were by double digits.
In the 8 losses this year, the team has a margin of defeat of 9 points. The largest margin of defeat was last night to St. Joe -- 22 points. The team already has 4 double digit losses. Over the past 4 losses, the margin of defeat is 14.5.
We are giving up an average of 72 PPG. The 2002-2003 team gave up an average of 70.2 PPG, not too much of a difference. That team gave up over 90 points only twice that season. The team this year has already given up over 90 points 2 times. That team gave up over 80 points 8 times; whereas, this year, this team has already given up 80+ 5 times.
Statistically speaking, the 2 teams aren't too different.
When you look at time the freshmen were getting in 2002-03, Foye averaged 27 minutes, Ray 25 minutes, Fraser 21 minutes, and Sumpter 17 minutes on a roster with Snowden, Buchanan, and Ricky Wright as upperclassmen. Compare it to this year, and Reynolds is getting 33 minutes, Fish 24 minutes, Pena 17 minutes, Drummond 17 minutes, Stokes 15 minutes, Grant 14 minutes on a roster with no major upperclassmen expect Cunningham. Jay needs to play the freshmen more if this team is going to succeed down the line...Having one of the freshmen/red shirts getting over 20 minutes a game is inexcusable on a team where Clark is getting 25 minutes and Redding 24 minutes.
As far as the game plan goes, the team seems to play best when they can run and improvise (early in the Cuse game last Saturday, the comeback vs LSU, anytime we've been down in the 2nd half)...so when it comes to game time, let them do it! Push the tempo! Jay can work on all these half-court sets and "take-it" offensive mentality in practice, but it's obvious no one is comfortable with it in the game setting on this team yet. Everyone is tentative this year, including Reynolds at times...other times, he is simply trying to do too much. Bump and Nardi weren't the most talented players Nova has ever seen, but it's pretty clear what they brought to the table -- they were the glue, and we are sorely missing it this year.
On defense, if Jay's going to run the press...run the press...none of this half-assed stuff. When we have run a hard press, the team seems more energized on the defensive and offensive side, so maybe we adopt a "40 minutes of Hell" mentality for now. We have the legs to run, so try something new. It can't get much worse. When he is going to run a zone, he needs to look at Boheim and how he extends his zone, because that's the only way to stop the 3 ball right now with the way we are playing. Too many times over the past 5 games when we got set in a zone was the team about 4-6 feet short of the 3 point line, allowing guys to get open for 3. Having Cas back should allow Jay to extend the zone, as he can clog the middle now.
I agree with the rotation set up in the article...that gets the freshmen a lot of playing time, and cuts down on the poor offensive play we would get by having Redding, Anderson, and Clark on the floor in some combo.
Keep up the good work Let's Go Nova...i thoroughly enjoy the blog.
The rotation you mentioned in the article was exactly what we need to stay in games. How is it that the majority of the fans can all reach one conclusion and then Jay does something completely different? Obviously he has more insight because he is the coach after all, but based on production offensively and defensively how can he logically give certain players the minutes they're getting. Its absurd. I love Jay but there needs to be a serious attitude adjustment on his part and the team.
Thanks for your comments, DPVU and JL...
On the rotation, I really think it is crucial to have several scoring and ball handling options on the court at the same time. It's OK to have one swingman who can't shoot or dribble, but 2 or 3 is a disaster.
DPVU07,
I like that you posted these stats. This team will be even deeper than the Foye, Ray teams. And, depth is really all that team needed to win the 'ship. Keep the faith, fans.
Other teams may make the tourney year in and year out but the only stat that matters is NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. Sure, you have to make the tourney to have a shot, but I'd rather see Nova have a legitimate, serious, title contending shot every few years than make the tourney every year with some Sweet 16 runs and never a title. Having said that, we should not be getting blown out like so.
Hey Pete,
is there anyway you can fix it so when you click external links from letsgonova.com it shows up in the address bar. cause it gets anoying when you start surfing adn you click back and it goes to letsgonova.com
Hey,
That is caused by the redirect I have set up since this site is hosted on blogger. As long as the site is hosted by blogger, I can't change that.
BUT there is a really easy solution for you. If you bookmark http://www.letsgonova.blogspot.com/ and use that as your jumping-off point, you should not experience that issue.
Guys, Jay Wright is NOT a good coach. He never was. The only reason that they did well in 2005 and 2006 is because the players back then were passionate, and did whatever it took to win. Now nobody understands the significance of playing for Villanova. They all play passively, and they don't value the ball. I guarantee that if Pat Chambers was the head coach, they would be ranked in the top 15 right now, and would be a lock for the tournament. Pat Chambers has everything over Jay Wrong. He is a better motivater, a better X's and O's coach, and he is not afraid to tell things how they are. I've read comments on this blog that have said that Villanova is too young and should never have been ranked in the beginning of the season. That is wrong. They are a team that lacks coaching, chemistry, effort, and enthusiasm. The talent is clearly there, but Jay's terrible coaching has nullified it. If they want to be successful next year (because this season is over) PAT CHAMBERS MUST BE HIRED AS HEAD COACH. (Or somebody else as long as its not Jay Wright.
Gregg, you are so right. Jay is NOT a good coach. I mean, just look at what he did at Hofstra. Before he got there, they only had 5 winning seasons in 21 years! When Jay got there they only had winning seasons 4 out of 7 years. That bum. If Pat Chalmers was there they would have had winning seasons 7 out of 7 years. Man, just look at Jay's record, it took him 3 years to have a winning record, so what if he increased the win total every year?! Its almost like it took him a few years to build the program....
Please, get a grip. There is a reason Jay is seen by many people as a great coach and a frequent target for when coaching vacancies open. As much as we'd like to be, Nova isn't on the level of a Duke or UNC, and there will be rebuilding years, and years where a team has to gel.
bruiser is now the posterboy for the spoiled brat self-entitled and self-centered Nova fan. part of the problem, and a terrible fan. You belong in the media who deal in hyperboles and bullshit nonsense, how can you read your following comment and not cringe at it yourself:
"This team is an embarassment to: the school, the students, the alumni and former players.
They do not deserve to wear a jersey that says "Villanova" on it."
Gimme a break.
Anyways, I'll step away from the podium before I piss myself off. But anyway, give Jay a chance guys. He just re-stocked with 2 pretty good classes in a row. The last comment said it best, we aren't a UNC or Duke.
I was at the school for the final Lappas years, and maybe that's why I stand by Jay. Those last couple Lappas teams were turnover central and just awful on the court. Our team this year just isn't coming together, it's not like I expect us to lose.. I fully expect us to win each next game.
The last couple Nova teams have had phenomenal defense and free-throw shooting. Our inconsistent offense would not be as such a glaring problem if our team could do both well. I challenge anyone to place the blame on Jay for our deficiencies in both of these areas. It's up to the players hardwork...
Stopping Nova is easy
1) Cover Reynolds, and Fisher on the three, force Reynolds left (he has no left hand)
2) Force the above mentioned to drive and have the middle clogged, neither will pass but rather throw up garbage
3) let the others on the team try to beat you,since none have the confidence to shoot beyond 2 ft from the basket
again.. I think we're being too harsh on our offense. it comes down to the effort on the defensive end.
we can't get many fast break opps when we allow teams to shoot over 50%. we allow teams to consistently set up their half court defense/find the right matchups everytime they drop down a basket.
forget X's and O's for the time-being guys. our defensive woes are the #1 problem and it's impacting everything.
Hire Bobby Knight or Larry Brown now!!!
larry brown as head coach and jay wright as recruiter!
screw this team. I'm transferring.
I just listened to the Jay Wright Radio show podcast. It was amazing how delusional this man is.
ODDS:
200/1 odds on nova winning it all.
once this team clicks, theres no beating them. get on bodog and put ten dollars to win $2000 dollars.
buy low / sell high, but if you guys knew that you would have jobs and not be on letsgonova all day
I'm an optimistic person and all, but no thanks cman.
In fact, I'll give you 2000:1 odds, your max bet can be $10 since that's all I could pay out. Send me your $10 cman aka Investor Supreme.
The odds on Nova winning it all are 16,384 to 1. I hate to say this, but I'm predicting G-Town to win in my bracket.
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