Nation agrees in landslide: call was bad
posted by Pete @ LetsGoNova.com2/12/2008 10:26:00 PM
The Villanova-Georgetown "Debacle in D.C." has reached the front page of ESPN.com, where readers can vote in the SportsNation poll as to whether the foul at the end was called correctly.
You can view continually updated vote totals by state at ESPN's SportsNation map.
After more than 65,000 votes, all 50 states and international voters agree that the foul was an incorrect call in the admittedly non-scientific poll.
At the time the snapshot of the vote below was taken, 77 percent of total voters thought the call was incorrect.
After 65,000 votes, respondents in all 50 states said the call was incorrect by at least a 2-to-1 margin, and mostly by much more.
In Pennsylvania, 84 percent of voters did not like the call. In Maryland and Virginia, the states closest to Georgetown's District of Columbia, the online voters disliked the call to the tune of 72 and 73 percent, respectively.
The avalanche of press coverage resulting from the end of last night's game can only help Villanova's cause in terms of reaching the NCAA committee on Selection Sunday, if the 'Cats manage to play their way onto the bubble.
You can view continually updated vote totals by state at ESPN's SportsNation map.
After more than 65,000 votes, all 50 states and international voters agree that the foul was an incorrect call in the admittedly non-scientific poll.
At the time the snapshot of the vote below was taken, 77 percent of total voters thought the call was incorrect.
After 65,000 votes, respondents in all 50 states said the call was incorrect by at least a 2-to-1 margin, and mostly by much more.
In Pennsylvania, 84 percent of voters did not like the call. In Maryland and Virginia, the states closest to Georgetown's District of Columbia, the online voters disliked the call to the tune of 72 and 73 percent, respectively.
The avalanche of press coverage resulting from the end of last night's game can only help Villanova's cause in terms of reaching the NCAA committee on Selection Sunday, if the 'Cats manage to play their way onto the bubble.
Labels: 2007-2008, bad call, Big East, Debacle in DC, Georgetown
18 Comments:
Did anyone happen to hear Skip Bayless talk about this?
He called it a "collision" and that "Stokes is a freshman guard who already had 4 fouls in limited minutes, and drove his knee into the thigh of the opposing player."
This is the type of sensationalism and bullshit that exists with the people ESPN picks for their sports-beat journalism. You can have an opinion whether or not the call was correct, or what you would do in the situation... but c'mon calling it a COLLISION!??!?
They had the highlight playing... did he even see the f'in play?
Futher confirmation of what we already knew.. SKIP BAYLESS SUCKS... HOW DID HE GET A JOB COVERING SPORTS!?!?!!
To make it worse...
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3242789
My memory is not great but in the last 4 years I can remember 4 terrible calls that made us lose games.
1. BE tournament 2005 v. West Virginia. That game was headed to OT and they called some BS foul with no time left to give WVU free throws and the win.
2. Sweet 16 game v. UNC - enough said
3. Old Spice Classic finals v. NC State - nonsense foul on a prayer three-point shot
4. Last night against G'town.
I am a Nova fan so that probably makes me biased but those were 4 of the worst calls I have seen in college basketball. Each one made Nova lose.
imisskylelowry,
I did hear skip bayless talk about it today. Really pissed me off...he said that Stokes had been "playing out of control all game," based on the fact that he had 4 fouls. Were any of those fouls on 'out of control plays?' Absolutely not, they were mostly touch fouls called when he rotated to help contain Hibbert. I doubt Bayless even saw the game. The look on JT3's face at the end of the game said it all. He shook his head in obvious disgust as he walked towards JW as if to show that he hated that the battle that was that game ended like it did.
The selection committee isn't going to and shouldn't care about this game. Even with a no-call there is no guarantee except OT. Still a 50/50 shot we lose that game regardless. Villanova doesn't deserve post-season play this year.
Whats even worse, is when youve been a die hard Nova fan for as long as you can remember. And you just happend to notice that Georgetown is a 12 1/2 pt favorate at home where they havent beeten Nova in like 9 years, and you get 6 1/2 to 1 odds that Nova can win outright and you put $1,000 down on Nova to win and you lose, potentially $6,500 on that friggen ridiculous call......
If i could duplicate Charles Barkleys "Terrrrible" in that southern accent of his, in this post i would, because its very fitting.
I would have to say this call was bad. poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop poop weaners weaners weaners weaners weaners weaners weaners weaners!!! I love men
The call had NOTHING to do with 4-30 shooting in the second half! Give it a REST ALREADY!
1. we are not making the ncaas regardless.
2. isaac deserves to lose $6500 for betting on us to win outright. at least take the 12.5 point spread!!! GREED
3. i'm sure pete thinks that foul wouldn't have been called if malcolm grant was in the game.
Well Matadorm, what the foul DID have to do with was the outcome of a BIG EAST BASKETBALL GAME, in which we could have easily re-sparked our season. It's a shame it ended that way.
We shot 4-30, SO, we were in the game with Georgetown and lost it on a terrible call, end of story.
There are two schools of thought expressed in the comments here: 1) We stink, the season has been over for a long time, we don't deserve to make it to the big east tourney much less the NIT. This crowd watched Monday's game and says, "We never should have been in the game." "We wouldn't have won anyway." "It doesn't matter because the season is shot." etc.
Then there's another perspective: 2) We're actually a good team who just hasn't been clicking lately, we're rebuilding, there's still hope for this season but we have to pull it together very quickly, etc. This crowd watched Monday's game and said, "We should have won that game!" "Now THERE's the team we can be." "Let's hope this bodes well in selection time." Etc.
I truly don't understand how anyone could enjoy being the first kind of fan.
MatadorM -
You need to give your constant hatred for Jay Wright a rest on this one. I agree with you, they had a poor shooting night, but they did have a fantastic defensive night.
Going 4-30 and still having a chance to win the game with the final shot should be a TRIBUTE to the defensive scheme that was put forth on Monday night.
If Donato had not made that call, it does not guarantee us a victory. We had two guys who were fouled out and 3 others who were in foul trouble. Overtime would have been interesting to say the least. Donato's call prevented us winning or losing the game on the court, where it should have been decided.
You continually fail to be blinded by your hatred for Jay Wright, and you miss that fact. Jay Wright cannot shoot the ball. If the team doesn't execute it, some of the blame can fall on Wright for lack of preparation or his lack of an offensive scheme, but not all of it.
So for this game, give it a rest. You are wrong on this one, and you need to accept it. I'm sure you will have quite a few more chances to continue your "FIRE JAY WRIGHT" campaign in the upcoming weeks when we don't make the BE tournament and our team doesn't play during March.
hey i'm not saying our season is over, and i think we could have and should have won the other night... but at this point i think we would have to win out and make a run in the BE tourney to make the ncaas. the losses to rutgers, st. joes, depaul, cincinatti, are so bad that a couple good wins won't get us in. we need to basically win out. nit is still a legit possibility though and i hope they play well enough down the stretch to make it.
I think what we should keep in mind is that our next two are against Saint Johns, and West Virginia. We should win. Winning the next two could get us into the BE tournament in itself, and maybe spark a nice run.
Also, against G-Town, that is the best scheme defensively I have seen all year. It wasn't the players that set that up, we mixed it up beautifully. I think Jay is capable of coaching at the level of the other high end biggest coaches, but doesn't bring it.... more than occasionally. Losing Foye, Ray, Lowry would be tough on anybody.
We're young, we are contending with G-Town, the future is bright.
Jmiller,
show me where I mentioned Jay Wright in my post?
MatadorM-
I've read your posts. Show me where I'm wrong that you don't believe that we should fire Jay Wright. In one of the recent topics, you were saying that we should fire Jay and hire worn out Larry Brown or Bobby Knight. I can go get the information if you would like, or you can pull a Rocket and continue to live in fantasy land that you didn't say or believe such things.
JR i've agreed with most of your posts and I've disagreed with matadorm on pretty much every one of his posts, but you can't yell at the guy for putting his opinion out there, that's the point of a blog
yes that call hurt, but it happened, the fact is that drought of no fieldgoals really hurt us alot, 1 FG in that drought could have been the game.
great game by Nova!
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